107 Spurs Drive
18 December 2018
That is quite OK about the delay. I lived in Canberra when my late
father was the NSW State MP for Byron on the NSW/Queensland border,
some 800 miles away, and when we came on holidays, I would have to
make sure he put an afternoon in his diary, so he could see his
three grandchildren, or he would not be at home to see them.
While I still have to do my Christmas cards and shopping for the 11
grandchildren, I very much doubt that I will have time before
Christmas to even look at your tree form the website and add that
data to Chapter 19/975.
While my English expression is not always the best, but when I
write, I endeavour to cite the source, and “include” the article or
section of the article in discussion relating to the Boyds and them
outline the reason why I think that statement is not correct in
terms of Boyd history. Or cite that item of Boyd history and add
further details that are known about that topic.
So, if you, or your staff, think that any of these articles that I
will forward are suitable for electricscotland, then I would be
quite happy to have my name put down for them. (And these articles
may equally apply to other Scottish Clans as well.)
normally go by –
House of Boyd Society
have been Chairman of this group since April 2002.
Since 2006, I have also been a Board Member for the House of Board,
but I normally do not use that title when handling queries. And I
have been a member of the Society since 1992.
(While I assume that you do not wish to put a photo to me, but if
you do, there is one on the House of Boyd Society website –
http://www.clanboyd.org – which my
daughter said over the weekend was not very good.
the Email that people can contact me on is firstname.lastname@example.org
or Historian@clanboyd.org which drops to my private Email.
(ii) While it would be nice to have any article marked as
“copyright”, it does not seem to make much difference, these days,
as people will pick up items and just use them as they see fit.
Sometime correctly and others to compound the mistake about that
issue without any question.
the other problem is that I am not set up handle queries on
“copyright”. So, do you just add that the article can be used with
acknowledgement of the source?Or some other suitable works that
permission is given to use the article in discussion, etc, as long
as the source is given?
if you think that any of these articles or statements need to be
copyrighted that is OK.
(iii) I have learnt to be quite open with my information on
Clan Boyd. And I will be the first to admit that I do not
understand all the issues, as you will see in my HISTORY.doc FILE.
And none of us know all about our history or all about any given
Cadet Branch. Where I try to ask question or to see if other people
have a different view or understanding of a phrase, etc.
(iv) I will attach FILE – HISTORY.doc which I mentioned to
you when I first wrote.
think that items # 4, 5, 7, 8 and 10, may be ready to use and to ask
questions about Clan Boyd’s involvement in that event in Scottish
history. But they are not the final words, and will need input by
other people to see if more can be found and added to this initial
outline. What I call a dynamic history. Assume similar to Wiki!
While, early in the New Year, I should be able to do Topics # 9, 12,
and 25 from data that I currently have. And I assume that there
will be questions that will come out of those topics that have not
yet been answered.
(v) While in “posting.doc” for 2017, I have a number of
While item # 1. The Boyd are Norman and not Gaelic., I have been
trying to get some time for some weeks now to re-write. So, do not
use that at present and in the New Year, I will have to put time
aside to finish this article.
items 2-4, are ready to publish.
Then perhaps item 20. Colonel David Boyd, is not the ancestor
of all the Boyds in County Down.
While I have written this from a Boyd point of view, it does raise
the question of what other Scots came with Sir Hugh Montgomery to
County Down in 1606, and whom were the “next level” under this
“landowner” or “chief tenants of Sir Hugh and James Hamilton.
know that I have a number of questions to ask about whom and where
these early Boyds of County Down came from.
Item # 22, is a request to find out why an “A survey of County Down
surnames was published in 1858?”
Item # 23 - The family of Alexander Boyd and Eleanor Hay of
Cunningburn (townland), Ards Peninsular, Co. Down. – is an example
of talking the information from gravestones in County Down and
trying to turn them into a family tree.
Item 25 - The five great waves of Irish Migration to the USA in the
1700’s from Ulster. – I assume that many people may know about these
five periods of heavy migration from Ireland to the USA in the
1700’s, but it may be an exercise that each clan many need to do to
“try” to trace each family that may have come in this period what
may be more useful than my article just on the Boyds
Item 26 - The first known Boyd to New Windsor, Orange County, NY in
1726? – is an attempt to try to work out if this quotation has
confused the arrival of “several” Robert Boyd’s to Orange County,
Item 29. - The family of Frew Boyd and Margaret Thompson of
Cunningburn, County Down. – This is an article that is taking the
information on a gravestone and looking at the possible structure of
the family and asking a number of questions about what “might have
happened” to the family after the mother died.
Item 30. - “The Londonderry Papers”, PRONI Reference # D654 –
Freeholders and Election lists. – this is just providing advice on
these papers in County Down or in the Ards Peninsular of it, where
plenty of Scots families settled.
Item 32. - The dates of the Muster Rolls of Ireland, especially the
nine counties of Ulster! – Again, letting people know of this source
for One Irish County and asking if these records are available for
Item 33. - When did the Boyds first go to New York State and from
where? – I maintain a table of each USA State as to when it is known
the first Boyd family arrived in that State. This article looks at
what is known for New York State. And it also tries to “work out”
where these families might come from. My TABLE of “first known Boyd
families in a US State” should go on each Clan’s history page to
show when “the Clan first went to that State”, and this table could
be used for Canada, Australia, and other Counties where Scots
migrated to. In our case, it seems that “most” or “many” Boyd
families into PA came from County Antrim in the 1700’s, but I have
not been able to work out if that applies to other Irish Counties
going to other US States or net yet.
Item 34. - The family of John (John Jr,) Logan Boyd, eldest child of
John Boyd and Ann Logan, of Albany, NY and later Charlton, Saratoga
Co., NY. This article questions a published quotation on this
family and its migration in New York and Canada.
Item 35. - Has anyone conducted research at the National Archives of
Ireland in Bishop Street Dublin? – this item lets people know about
the Irish National Archives and should be included in your search
Item 36. - Who were held hostage with Sir Thomas Boyd (7th
Chief of Boyd) in 1423 for the release of King James I? – this is
questioning whom were the other Hostages in 1423 for King James.
Item 38. - Is this an alternative Origins for the Boyds of
Ballycastle, County Antrim, Ireland? – this looks at two possible
links between the Boyds of Ballycastle, County Antrim to the Lord
Boyds. But neither explain as to why this family does not show its
own “known” links to the Boyds of Kilmarnock, which in in the early
1800’s when Burke’s started collecting family trees, they would have
Item 39. - The known family of Robert Boyd and Sarah Hunter (nee
Lyon) of Middletown, Orange County, NY. – the first known Boyd to go
from PA to NY (and to the Upper part of NY). An unusual migration
Item 40. - A list of some 1600’s Boyd Sea Captains in Ireland. – not
sure if this is of any interest to other Clans as a source of data?
42. - Where there two Robert Boyd’s in Orange County, NY between
1726 and 1756? – This article questions a quotation from a book on
when two Robert Boyd’s arrived at Orange County, New York. It
raises the question that many readers do not ask - “is the data I am
reading correct?” So, this quotation of 1911 is now judged by
further data available in 2018.
47. - The Trial of Major Stede Bonnet and other pirates, including
Robert Boyd, October 1718 at Charleston, SC. – this proves a list of
those in 1718 at Charleston, SC that were condemned for piracy.
Item 48. - The family of Andrew Boyd, of East Nottingham, Chester
Co., PA and Mary Boyd, dau of Rev. Adam and Jane (nee
Craighead) Boyd. – This Andrew Boyd’s grandfather, Robert Boyd born
in 1678 is often confused by IT trees as the father of George Boyd,
Sr. of Compass, PA, who was born in 1691 (only 13 years after
Robert’s birth) – which I have yet to get time to write up some
articles on – and also mixes him up with the family of Rev Adam Boyd
– the fourth of that name – who was a Presbyterian Minister at Upper
Octorara, Chester County, PA. George Boyd founded (or help to found
St John’s Church at Compass. And if I recall Robert is buried at
Upper Octorara – a few rows away from Rev Adam Boyd’s family. The
late Dr Howard Valance Jones of Iowa, was a part of Robert’s family
but did not make any mention of an connection to Rev Adam Boyd’s
Item 51. - The book Belle Boyd, Siren of the South,
Ruth Scarborough, Pineview, GA.- This book claims that their
ancestors about 1700 came from Ayrshire, Scotland. But would need
to be read to see if any actual facts are given or not.
Item 53 - What evidence that George Boyd of Compass, PA was born in
County Antrim? – an article outlining some of the known facts about
this George Boyd and asking questions about his origins and data to
support these claims.
Item 55. - The family of Robert Bankhead and Elizabeth (Bessie) Boyd
who married in 1688 at Kilmarnock, Ayrshire. – this is taking data
from this website to build a family tree.
Item 56. - The family of James Boyd and Jonet Bankhead of Busbie, in
Kilmaurs Parish, Ayrshire in 1666. – This is questioning what some
of the data from a website, from the book Scottish Record
Society, The Commissariot Record of Glasgow. Register of
Testaments, 1547 – 1800, ed Francis J. Grant, 1901, means in
Item 57. - The family of the last Boyd Laird of Pitcon – Thomas Boyd
and Jean Cunningham. – this is an attempt to build a family from one
source with data from several other sources and to find out what
happened to these 8 children – both male and female.
Item 59. - The family of Margaret Boyd, of Pitcon, and Baillie James
Wilson, senior merchant in Kilmarnock. – this asks question about
some of the “terms” used and to see if anyone is researching this
Item 60. - The lands of Sir Thomas Boyd of Bedlay in Steane, County
Tyrone, Ireland. – this outlines the division of his land granted in
1609, but sold by him in 1613 to his brother-in-law, James Hamilton,
Earl of Abercorn, but no known tenants are provided for this first
known Boyd family in County Tyrone.
Item 62. - Who is Culbert Boyd in the 1630 Muster Roll in County
Down in THE LORD BISHOP OF DOWN (ROBERT ECHLIN) HIS TENANT'S & MR
PATRICK SAVAGE & MR ROWLAND SAVAGE: THEIR TENANTS, THEIR NAMES AND
ARMS – advertising what can be found in 1600’s records.
Item 67. - Are there any sources for the list
of Arms on grave inscriptions in the churchyards between Larne and
Carrickfergus? – This might allow other families to be able to
search in eastern County Antrim for their family?
Item 68. - Not a single Boyd family but a
combination of Boyd Families in County Down. – this article is not
finished, but shows that it is copied from another IT tree that has
confused “several” Boyd families and have not checked the various
dates given for the different generations. It may not be until
early next year before I can get back to finishing this off. But it
is a warning to check the dates on IT trees before ASSUMING THAT
THEY MAY FIT YOUR FAMILY. So, it may be used in that context to
warn people to check dates on these IT trees.
Item 71 – Is John Boyd (1740 – 1815) who
married Jane Bermardoe and lived in Union County, SC, the son of
Robert Boyd, the son of George and Isabella Boyd of Compass, PA? –
This is also not finished, but does show that the John Boyd of
Ballymena who married Jane Bermardoe, is not part of the Boyds of
Halifax County, Virginia and Compass, PA or a descendant of George
and Isabella Boyd.
While I have finished a number of queries about specific Boyd
families in this FILE – DOWN TO PAGE 56 – that may be suitable to
show a given point of researching, or simple be done as straight
queries, if you do that, there are a number of items that I still
have to get time to write up.
(v) I also have "Remission under the great seal, in
favour of Robert, Lord Boyd, Thomas, Master of Boyd, and others for
Their participation in the Battle of Langside." [Battle of Langside
13 May 1568], This is outlined in FILE rems1571.doc
first pages is as I copied it for the Dick Institute, September
2005, which would now be in the Burns Centre, Kilmarnock. This
remission also lists other names than Boyd. And in Boyd “history”
we are told that they formed Mary Queen of Scot’s bodyguard or part
second page is the first known list of Boyd Cadet Branches.
However, about half of these location are still unknown to me at
present. While the “old” Cadet names of Baddinhaith [Badenhealth,
Petcon [Pitcon, Dalry]; Pinkill; Trochrig and Boyneschaw [Bonshaw],
are listed. It is interesting in the order that these are listed.
I am not sure if that has any meaning?
am not sure if you may wish to publish this table, as an example for
a Clan that does not know its Cadet Branches, that some lists are
able to be found in “odd” places, or as an example of trying to
determine where these place names might be located today and how you
may go about working that out from modern sources.
hope that these are suitable? I will search my PC early in the New
Year for other suitable material that you may wish to use, plus some
articles on Chiefs of Clan Boyd.
History file (pdf)
Postings file (pdf)
Remission under the great seal, in favour
of Robert, Lord Boyd, Thomas, Master of Boyd, and others for Their
participation in the Battle of Langside file (pdf)